Grounded
Club
A club is ‘grounded’ when it touches sand or soil or when grass
supports the weight of the club.
Stroke and Distance
At any time permitted by the rules, a player
may play a ball within one clublength of the spot from which the original ball
was last played. Except where otherwise provided in the Rules, this incurs a
‘stroke and distance penalty’. That is, the stroke so played counts and an
additional penalty of one stroke applies.
Note: When such relief
is taken, if the ball originally lay,
(a) on the fairway, it must be placed on the fairway;
(b) in the rough, it must be placed in the rough;
(c) in a hazard, it must be placed in the hazard;
(d) on the tee, it must be placed on the tee and the ball may
be re-teed.
Rule
13: Ball Played as It Lies
13-1.
General
The ball must be played as it lies, except as
otherwise provided in the Rules.
(Ball at rest moved – see Rule 18)
13-2.
Improving Lie, Area of Stance or Swing, or Line of Play
A player must not improve or allow to be
improved:
(i) the position or
lie of his ball,
(ii) the area of his
stance or swing,
(iii) his line of play
or a reasonable extension of that line beyond the hole, or
(iv) the area in
which he is to place a ball,
by any of the following actions:
(i) pressing a club
on the ground,
(ii) moving, bending
or breaking anything growing or fixed (including immovable obstructions and
objects defining out of bounds),
(iii) creating or eliminating
irregularities of surface,
(iv) removing or
pressing down sand, loose soil or turf replaced in a divot, or
(v) removing dew,
frost or water.
However, except when
the ball lies in a hazard (see 13-4 below), the player incurs no penalty if any
of these outcomes occurs as a result of the player:
(i) grounding the
club lightly when addressing the ball,
(ii) fairly taking
his stance,
(iii) making a stroke
or the backward movement of his club for a stroke and the stroke is made,
(iv) creating or
eliminating irregularities of surface within the tee or in removing dew, frost
or water from the tee, or
(v) removing sand
and loose soil or in repairing damage on the putting green (Rule 16-1).
13-3.
Building Stance
A player is entitled to place his feet firmly
in taking his stance, but he must not take any action to significantly alter
the area in which the stance is being taken or to use any object to assist in
taking the stance.
13-4.
Ball in Hazard; Prohibited Actions
Except as provided in the Rules, before
making a stroke at a ball that is in a hazard or that, having been lifted from
a hazard, may be placed in the hazard, the player must not:
(i) Test the
condition of the hazard or any similar hazard; or
(ii) Touch the ground
in the hazard or water in the water hazard with his hand or a club.
Exceptions:
1. Provided nothing
is done that constitutes testing the condition of the hazard or improves the
lie of the ball, there is no penalty if the player;
(i)
touches the ground or loose impediments in
any hazard, or water in a water hazard, as a result of or to prevent falling,
in removing an obstruction, in measuring or in marking the position of,
retrieving, lifting, placing a ball under any Rule, or
(ii) places his clubs in a hazard.
2. At any time, the
player may smooth sand or soil in a hazard provided nothing is done to breach
Rule 13-2 or Rule 13-4a.
Note: At any time, including
at address or in the backward movement for the stroke, the player may touch,
with a club or otherwise, any obstruction, any construction declared by the
Committee to be an integral part of the course or any grass, bush, tree or
other growing thing.
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE:
Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.
(Searching for ball – see Rule 12-1)
(Relief for ball in water hazard – see Rule
26)
Stroke & Distance (on the green)
ReplyDeleteA player putts from 2" over 1cl from the hole. Fast downhill run.
Misses and runs 20' or more past, possibly off the green. He may now place his ball 2" from the hole?
S&D in the rough.
ReplyDeletePlayer in a very bad lie (maybe behind a tree). Makes a stroke and makes a mess of it. Ball in same or another bad lie.
He now places it in a very good lie (away from the line through tree)?
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ReplyDeleteYou will, of course, realise that this proposed modification is designed to address the problem of subjectivity in the matter of dropping 'as nearly as possible' to the point where the ball was last played. This standard is meaningless as there is no real indication of what may, or may not, make a certain distance 'possible'. And what might make dropping on the actual place where the ball originally lay (which for a cleanly struck ball will be at the entry to the divot) ‘impossible’?
In my view subjective statements such as this, or 'clearly unreasonable stroke', or 'unnecessarily abnormal stance' (how does this differ from a 'necessarily abnormal stance’?) should be eliminated from the Rules wherever possible (there's another one!).
You correctly identify that the green is a special case; as it is in several applications of the Rules.
If I understand the essence of your criticism correctly, it is that the Definition does not specify that the point of placement must be no nearer to the hole than the original position.
I trust I am correct in stating that, for example, neither Rule 26 nor Rule 27-1 nor Rule 28 nor Rule 20-5 require that in taking S&D relief the ball must be dropped ‘no nearer to the hole’ than the original, or estimated original, position of the ball. This surely is an oversight which I should not have accepted uncritically. The Definition will be amended.
Notwithstanding a correction to the proposed Definition which requires that the ball be placed 'no nearer to the hole', I think that it would still be anomalous in respect to a ball on the green. One clublength from the original lie of the ball could lead to a significant difference in the nature of the putt. Maybe we could go with a PUTTERHEAD length when the ball is originally played from on the green. Or perhaps it should be a CLUBHEAD distance in all circumstances.
If the latter were to be adopted this would lead to consistency across all areas of the course and there would be no need for the condition that the ball be placed within the type of terrain from which it was originally played.
Do you have any other suggestion as to how this anomaly might be best overcome or the distance quantified?
I would not be so concerned at the potential fortuitous outcome which you describe in respect to the player in the trees.
Consider, for example, that:
• the player is already playing under a penalty;
• a dropped ball can, as things currently stand, roll more than one clublength and finish ‘out of the trees’;
• a ball dropped on the fairway ‘as nearly as possible’ to the divot taken in the original shot can quite easily roll into the divot;
• a pro can get relief from a lie in long grass near a TIO and using a driver or long putter drop his ball on the fringe of the green;
• and so on.
All of these outcomes are ‘just golf’.
The essential proposition I am putting is that:
• The ball should be placed rather than dropped in all circumstances for reasons of speed of play, compliance with the Rules and minimisation of a chance occurrence which is not really part of playing the game (see ‘Time to Drop the ‘drop’ and ‘Where to Take Relief’; and
• There should be an objective standard applied to the proximity of a ball being placed under stroke and distance provisions. Whether this is one clublength, a clubhead or some other measure is not of great concern to me. However I think that ONE CLUBHEAD could well overcome all obstacles and keep the procedure consistent and ‘simple’.
If you agree with the latter proposition but believe that one clublength could be too generous under certain circumstances, or one clubhead is inappropriate, can you suggest a more equitable measure?
Such a measure should, in my view, be achievable through utilisation of some object which most/all golfers would normally have in their bag.
I am not in favour of placing 'off the green'. I would prefer dropping within 1cl not nearer (under conditions a-d). It is a familiar distance.
ReplyDeleteOn the green, just place within the player's putter head length not nearer than ..
Thanks aaa
ReplyDeleteAs you would know I think that the elimination of 'dropping' in favour of 'placing' is a reform that would be of value and significance. I respect your position but will continue to work on the basis that 'placing' should be universal, for the reasons I have expressed elsewhere.
As to the other issues there is certainly room for dicussion on the question of consistency (of requirement) versus complexity (of application).
I will conduct a bit more consulting, and hope others reading this site may express a view, before I propose a further amended version of the S&D definition.